Saturday, August 29, 2009

Continuation of the "Conscience Question"

I don't recall us clearly defining "conscience" in class, though we outlined it marginally. Conscience, in today's world, is generally defined as the part of the mind (superego) that dictates and admonishes the ego. Interestingly enough, conscience was originally associated with religion (Catholicism), and it dictated precisely what was right and wrong in earlier times; however, modernization has caused society's idea of conscience to morph from the "devil and angel" idea into an "inner voice" telling a person only what is wrong.

Based on what others have said and the definition above, it appears to me that conscience, while universally relevant, is individual-specific in its interpretation shaped by one's religion, upbringing, family, and associated morals. Here is my claim: conscience is the most dominant way of knowing, the ultimate authority, per se, over any organism, and is a purely acquired characteristic.

To support this, I sought the help of the all-important Google search engine and found this article: http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/conscience.htm

Peter Kreeft, a PhD of philosophy at Boston College, has two premises: 1) that conscience is an absolute authority and 2) that the only possible source for conscience is an absolutely perfect will, a divine being. Kreeft continues by establishing four possible explanations for conscience (check out the website to see them explicitly). One example is that we all possess the “herd” instinct, the altruism that applies to our need to protect offspring in the face of danger in order for our “lineage” to survive. However, he specifies that a mother would do this to protect her children, but no other type, such as a child, man, or child-less woman, would do such a thing…I find the example to be more applicable towards intuition than conscience- what do you think?

The first of his premises is more or less a given; however, I disagree with the second. Frankly, my religion is different from the mainstream one in this country- that does not make my ideas illegitimate. As Ali suggests in her post, is what I condone what you condemn? Conscience seems to be something of an intuitive, second-nature, less of an analytical or intellectual by-product.

That then leads me to think whether conscience is really a way of knowing. If conscience is affected by religion, and other extraneous factors, conscience cannot be innate. Not only does each religion differ, but each Hindu’s interpretation of the religion is different as well, for example. To address the most basic level of this, my family, from Southern India, worships a completely different set of gods and beings than another family, from Northern India. Nevertheless, our collective beliefs are known to the world as Hinduism. While some tenets and ways of our religion are universally accepted, such as the respect for other beings of the earth or the pressing of the hands together to pray, there are slight differences in the bases of each family that affect our consciences.

The same idea is applicable in America: we all share a similar belief of right or wrong because of education and other factors. But at the same time, we all have different morals established by our respective families, religions, and other acquired ideals.

So. Do you agree? Or do you dare to disagree? =D Is it really a way of knowing?

13 comments:

Bjørn said...
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Bjørn said...

"The same idea is applicable in America: we all share a similar belief of right or wrong because of education and other factors. But at the same time, we all have different morals established by our respective families, religions, and other acquired ideals."

Pretty vague, but I agree.

Magister P said...

Sriya...would you mind re-posting your orignal post? For some reason, it appears to me in the Webdings font, in other words, in complete gibberish. I copied it into a Word document, then converted to Book Antiqua font and read it just fine.

And when I did read it, I was impressed. Nice way to cite an outside source!

Sriya Murali said...

Magister P: Thank you! Also, I attempted to repost using Arial font- does it work now?

Also, Matt S. pointed out that my statements that "conscience is the most dominant way of knowing" and "whether conscience is really a way of knowing" are contradictory. I agree.

Let me rephrase myself: I believe that conscience is the most dominant factor in making a personal decision without the use of pure intellect. I argue that conscience derives from theological/moral sources, and therefore conscience cannot be used as a way of knowing with certainty, but it is applicable in matters of belief and heart.

Dutchman said...

Sriya, if I may disagree for one second with the earlier part of your statement. You seem to be suggesting, to me at least, that conscience doesn't really factor into a personal decision if there's pure intellect involved. However, if I was, per say, faced with a decision to cheat on a test. If I were to cheat I know I would get 100%. If I were not to cheat I know I would get a 60%. Does my conscience not weigh heavily on my decision to cheat or not?

casefarr said...

I also disagree with Kreeft's second point, that conscience is derived from a divine being. This idea is flawed in the fact that not everyone believes in any kind of supernatural being. By suggesting that conscience is directly linked to faith, Kreeft is implying that atheists have no inner voice to mediate their actions, which is an unfair accusation.

Conscience seems to be linked more to introspection and common sense than to religious faith. What is right and wrong is generally common sense, and introspection is employed when faced with a moral dilemma. Therefore conscience is a division of broader ways of knowing rather than a way of knowing itself.

Ali L said...

I agree with Casey. Religion does have potential to play a large role in conscience as many people use religion to dictate their morals. Because this is not the case for everyone, however, it would limit the way of knowing to those who believe in a divine power.

I see conscience as a concept relative to perfection, where perfection (always doing right) is the goal; conscience is used to tell the difference between right and wrong. But off of what do we base perfection?
[I'm sorry if that's confusing- I think it made more sense in my head]

Also, maybe I'm just missing something, but could someone explain to me what "an absolutely perfect will" means? (listed in Kreeft's second premise)

Sriya Murali said...

Dutchman: I understand your point- but I have to say that my statement can only be applied in a hypothetical situation. By "pure intellect," I mean knowledge affected by no intuitive factors. However, I believe that knowledge as such cannot exist- the morals established by a society, family, or religion are difficult to resist in entirety.
Regarding your example of cheating: I agree! Conscience does indeed play a large role in cheating- but to me cheating is ultimately a personal decision. Whether one chooses the 100% and lose integrity or accept the 60% and gain respect is based on rote knowledge of consequences as well as one's morality.

Casey and Ali: It's interesting that you mention atheists- are atheists limited because of lack of religion or are they, perhaps, free of a domineering conscience because of their skepticism of the existence of a divine figure? I think they are not free, but that their source for ideals ranges from society to science (popular theory vs. new conception)...

Ali, I really liked your comment on perfection. Since listening to what our conscience dictates or "doing the right thing" is in pursuit of achieving "perfection," perhaps our perceptions are based off our morals and more importantly the sources of those morals. The media and society very often impose an ideal physical image on the public, and therefore the public finds any person not fitting of that ideal to be flawed. So perfection must be relative and therefore unachievable in the eyes of everyone but oneself. (Did that make any sense?)

And I think Kreeft meant that conscience derives from perfection of some sort, and that the "perfect will" is something or someone, depending on what the reader believes in, divine.

Magister P said...

Casey writes, "I also disagree with Kreeft's second point, that conscience is derived from a divine being. This idea is flawed in the fact that not everyone believes in any kind of supernatural being. By suggesting that conscience is directly linked to faith, Kreeft is implying that atheists have no inner voice to mediate their actions, which is an unfair accusation."

The issue here is that if there is a divine being, then it does not matter whether anyone believes in Him or not, He still exists. It is true that 2 x 2 = 4 whether or not a person knows how to multiply. That said, Kreeft's point still holds. If conscience comes from a divine being, then even the atheist who has an inner voice to guide him has that inner voice from the divine being he claims does not exist. Belief in the divine or lack thereof becomes irrelevant at that point.

Armon(ie) Kaviani said...

"Here is my claim: conscience is the most dominant way of knowing, the ultimate authority, per se, over any organism"

Sriya, do you not think using the phrase "any organism" is stretching it a little too far? although i'm not so brash to say that i comprehend every living creature, i assume that say, a spider, isn't influenced very much by conscience.

Sriya Murali said...

Armon: The reason why I used "organism" was that the article I studied to explain my stance involved an explanation of an animal mother's "herd instinct" to protect her child, and therefore I used the term "organism." However, I suppose I could've used "mammalian instinct" instead, but I didn't want to get too picky...sorry if I offended you!

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rachelc said...

Magister P- you wrote (abbreviated), "if there is a divine being, then it does not matter whether anyone believes in Him or not, He still exists.... That said, Kreeft's point still holds. If conscience comes from a divine being, then even the atheist who has an inner voice to guide him has that inner voice from the divine being he claims does not exist. Belief in the divine or lack thereof becomes irrelevant at that point."

I have two problems with your statement:
1- atheism is "the belief that there is no God", not "the disbelief in God". At first glance, the two definitions do not seem to be different, but by breaking it down in English one can discern subtle differences. "Disbelief" in God suggests a general distrust or lack of credibility to God; that's not what atheism is.
2-With this difference made, the issue arises of what can be defined as an atheist's "inner voice". With the lack of a higher being to guide an atheist, arguably it can be said that common sense leads him/her through life.