This is all a matter of specifics. Obviously, an apple is an apple, a dog a dog, and a clothespin a clothespin. A is A. But when we begin to talk about the attributes of these objects, things change. If we are classifying an object by a certain amount of characteristics it has, such as its color, shape, or weight, questions arise. There are many objects on this earth that contain similar and same characteristics. Obviously, a orange marker is semi-cylindrical and orange, but so is a carrot. I think Identity should mean EVERY characteristic of the object, containing every detail that the thing possesses. (we, as humans, will probably never be able to list all these out, but that's not the point) If identity is any more generalized than that, discrepancies will arise and two things will have similar traits. With this definition of Identity in mind, I think there can be no questions or arguments about Aristotle's rule.
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"Political Ethics and Moral Ambiguity: The Moral Agency of Nation States" Monday, October 3, 7:00 p.m. in the Performance Classroom of North Central High School
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2011 Episteme Lecture
"Political Ethics and Moral Ambiguity: The Moral Agency of Nation States" Monday, October 3, 7:00 p.m. in the Performance Classroom of North Central High School
2011 Episteme Lecturer -- Dr. Carlton Waterhouse
The Episteme Lectures Renewed!
Thanks to a generous grant from the Washington Township Schools Foundation, The Episteme Lectures have additional funding for another three years! While we continue to need further financial support to expand the level of excellence for which the lectures are known (interested donors should contact Steve Perkins at sperkins@msdwt.k12.in.us or 317.259.5301, x5526), we are deeply grateful to the WTS Foundation for its previous and continued support of this unique educational opportunity. Please visit us at www.epistemelecture.org.
Former TOK Students Speak Out
Today, when I went to open my links to my required reading for my Intro to International Studies, I laughed out loud as I read the title of the second article we had to read:
Epistemology: How You Know What You Know.
Something tells me I am already very well prepared for this course thanks to two years of thinking in one class. I hope all is well with you and your classes at North Central and thanks again for two years of one of the best classes I ever took. Alley Murphy
I'm finishing the last 20 pages of the marathon that is Will Durant's Story of Philosophy. You should recommend its 400 dense (both in words and concepts per square inch) pages of 1920's ornate and pristine prose to any exceptional student; if they start now, it would supplement their ToK experience and undoubtedly imbue them with remarkable writing ability. Although I realize that ToK isn't a philosophical survey course, I can't help but see my youth as one of privation for lack of Kant. Spending one class surveying Kant would not only reveal to ToKers the joys of philosophy and the inevitable narrowness of their perspective, it would also provide some support against the arrogant materialists. Benson Tucker, Brown University
A quote by Rousseau was brought up in my Intro to Itnl. Studies class, and it reminded me greatly of TOK. Fred Hendricks III, Indiana University
As I was sitting in Mexico, waiting for the VBS my youth group was running to end, I noticed the hue of the sky. It indicated a nearing sunset; thus, it was time to go. I got up only to find it was in fact not time to go but at least half an hour early. I took off my sunglasses. They were spotless, unscratched. They gave me a perfectly accurate view of the world save for tint, and that exception influenced my actions greatly. It got me to thinking what other slight misperceptions of the world could have caused me and others to do. It got me talking about perception back at my hotel room. It got the little TOK voice in my head whirring.
Just thought you should know as you begin to plant that questioning seed inside the minds of your new class that your last crop was successful, that even in another country there is no place for your students to run or hide and that even the quiet ones will fall. Kim Hotchkiss, St. Olaf College
Tell all your IB students TOK is the one thing from IB that you will most definitely use in college! I certainly have and I am so happy I was exposed to something like TOK before college. Marissa Hampton, University of California-Irvine
TOK is the best class you can take in high school. And, being able to write critically off the top of your head is pretty much what your have to do on all your non-math/science exams. Plus, TOK is generally a heck of a lot of fun. If you can make it through the beginning of junior year, you're golden. I really do appreciate what TOK has done for me. Anna Boch, Harvard University
I'm double majoring in political science and criminal justice. I've taken some philosophy classes and in depth political analysis classes already and basically owned them. TOK really gave me a crazy perspective when analyzing texts and debating them. I found that I was much much much more prepared than the majority of the students. Keane Mossman, Indiana University
A couple of years ago I asked a large group of [Katie's] friends if they felt prepared for college and what class at NC helped them the most. This was a group of kids who were at Harvard and Stanford and everywhere in between. They said without a doubt they were better prepared than 99% of other students. They also agreed that the best class by far was TOK because it really taught them to think and question. Sara Lootens, mother of Katie Lootens, Duke University
Epistemology: How You Know What You Know.
Something tells me I am already very well prepared for this course thanks to two years of thinking in one class. I hope all is well with you and your classes at North Central and thanks again for two years of one of the best classes I ever took. Alley Murphy
I'm finishing the last 20 pages of the marathon that is Will Durant's Story of Philosophy. You should recommend its 400 dense (both in words and concepts per square inch) pages of 1920's ornate and pristine prose to any exceptional student; if they start now, it would supplement their ToK experience and undoubtedly imbue them with remarkable writing ability. Although I realize that ToK isn't a philosophical survey course, I can't help but see my youth as one of privation for lack of Kant. Spending one class surveying Kant would not only reveal to ToKers the joys of philosophy and the inevitable narrowness of their perspective, it would also provide some support against the arrogant materialists. Benson Tucker, Brown University
A quote by Rousseau was brought up in my Intro to Itnl. Studies class, and it reminded me greatly of TOK. Fred Hendricks III, Indiana University
As I was sitting in Mexico, waiting for the VBS my youth group was running to end, I noticed the hue of the sky. It indicated a nearing sunset; thus, it was time to go. I got up only to find it was in fact not time to go but at least half an hour early. I took off my sunglasses. They were spotless, unscratched. They gave me a perfectly accurate view of the world save for tint, and that exception influenced my actions greatly. It got me to thinking what other slight misperceptions of the world could have caused me and others to do. It got me talking about perception back at my hotel room. It got the little TOK voice in my head whirring.
Just thought you should know as you begin to plant that questioning seed inside the minds of your new class that your last crop was successful, that even in another country there is no place for your students to run or hide and that even the quiet ones will fall. Kim Hotchkiss, St. Olaf College
Tell all your IB students TOK is the one thing from IB that you will most definitely use in college! I certainly have and I am so happy I was exposed to something like TOK before college. Marissa Hampton, University of California-Irvine
TOK is the best class you can take in high school. And, being able to write critically off the top of your head is pretty much what your have to do on all your non-math/science exams. Plus, TOK is generally a heck of a lot of fun. If you can make it through the beginning of junior year, you're golden. I really do appreciate what TOK has done for me. Anna Boch, Harvard University
I'm double majoring in political science and criminal justice. I've taken some philosophy classes and in depth political analysis classes already and basically owned them. TOK really gave me a crazy perspective when analyzing texts and debating them. I found that I was much much much more prepared than the majority of the students. Keane Mossman, Indiana University
A couple of years ago I asked a large group of [Katie's] friends if they felt prepared for college and what class at NC helped them the most. This was a group of kids who were at Harvard and Stanford and everywhere in between. They said without a doubt they were better prepared than 99% of other students. They also agreed that the best class by far was TOK because it really taught them to think and question. Sara Lootens, mother of Katie Lootens, Duke University
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from Plato's Apology
Men of Athens, I honor and love you; but I shall obey God rather than you, and while I have life and strength I shall never cease from the practice and teaching of philosophy.
4 comments:
But how can I know the true nature of an object? If I gaze across a meadow at a single tree, hold my arm at length and measure the height of the tree between a finger and thumb the tree might be three inches tall. Yet, if I walk to within five feet of the same tree, the tree is much larger and not measurable by my finger and thumb. Which is the real tree? I could describe the same tree as being three inches tall or three hundred feet tall and both are accurate. I struggle with how it can be both ways.
But how can I know the true nature of an object? If I gaze across a meadow at a single tree, hold my arm at length and measure the height of the tree between a finger and thumb the tree might be three inches tall. Yet, if I walk to within five feet of the same tree, the tree might be three hundred feet tall and not measurable by my finger and thumb. Which is the real tree? I could describe the same tree as being three inches tall or three hundred feet tall and both are accurate. I struggle with how it can be both ways.
Laurel, first of all...way to go! You have made some incredible points that need to be shared in class. First, you identify a problem of knowledge that arises from dealing with the characteristics of objects, and you offer a nice, concrete example with the carrot and the marker.
You also say, "We, as humans, will probably never be able to list all these out, but that's not the point." You are right and you are right. On the first point, it would seem that we face an infinite chain of ever more precise definitions, sort of like the myth that the earth rests on the backs of an infinite stack of turtles. There are, however, reductive physicalists who insist that the everything is explainable in completely physical terms, and if this is so, there should be some limit that is achievable.
Even more important, however, is that you are right that this is not the point. So what if we cannot know to some nearly infinite degree of precision? IB wants us to focus on the good reasons we have for knowing what we do. So, to get back to your wonderful concrete example, what does it take to know that the carrot is the carrot, or the marker is the marker?
A response to Dr. Magister...
You say, "I struggle with how it can be both ways." But is it both ways? Is the tree both three inches and three hundred feet tall, or does it merely appear one way and then the other? I think of Vergil's "esse quam videri"..."to be rather than to seem." I also think of Hamlet's, "Seems, madam? I know not seems." I would say that there is a difference between being and seeming, between appearance and reality. The question becomes whether we can ever get past the seeming and the appearance to the actual being and reality. Some people say you can, others say you can't.
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